Comments on: How to Protect Yourself from Coercive Groups and Leaders http://exploringthemind.com/hypnosis/how-to-protect-yourself-from-coercive-groups-and-leaders Brain Candy for the Curious Mind! Thu, 02 Feb 2012 11:21:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: Metal File Cabinets Used http://exploringthemind.com/hypnosis/how-to-protect-yourself-from-coercive-groups-and-leaders/comment-page-3#comment-1764 Metal File Cabinets Used Tue, 14 Jun 2011 16:01:00 +0000 http://exploringthemind.com/?p=286#comment-1764 This is the great blog, I'm reading them for a while, thanks for the new posts!   This is
the great blog, I’m reading them for a while, thanks for the new posts!
 

]]> By: Jara http://exploringthemind.com/hypnosis/how-to-protect-yourself-from-coercive-groups-and-leaders/comment-page-3#comment-1735 Jara Tue, 08 Mar 2011 02:18:00 +0000 http://exploringthemind.com/?p=286#comment-1735 "I think I see the problem here...you wrote " what matters if if they seek the truth using the methods we know lead to real answers." 'Real' would be answers that can be proven via the scientific method and then peer reviewed, etc? Trouble is, science does not concern itself with questions of a spiritual or existential nature. Science doesn't care about such things- and certainly cannot quantify them. This is the realm of the spiritualists, artists and philosophers- the Intuitives, if you will." I like the way you think...um...intuit. :) Faith is validated once it is proven correct. But before it is proven correct, it seems to be baseless to those who only believe that what is proven through vigorous testing is valid. It is circular logic that leaves faith, intuition and spirituality out in the cold. “I think I see the problem here…you wrote ” what matters if if they seek the truth using the methods we know lead to real answers.” ‘Real’ would be answers that can be proven via the scientific method and then peer reviewed, etc? Trouble is, science does not concern itself with questions of a spiritual or existential nature. Science doesn’t care about such things- and certainly cannot quantify them. This is the realm of the spiritualists, artists and philosophers- the Intuitives, if you will.”

I like the way you think…um…intuit. :) Faith is validated once it is proven correct. But before it is proven correct, it seems to be baseless to those who only believe that what is proven through vigorous testing is valid. It is circular logic that leaves faith, intuition and spirituality out in the cold.

]]> By: Jara http://exploringthemind.com/hypnosis/how-to-protect-yourself-from-coercive-groups-and-leaders/comment-page-3#comment-1734 Jara Mon, 07 Mar 2011 21:54:00 +0000 http://exploringthemind.com/?p=286#comment-1734 Excellent response! Excellent response!

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]]> By: local seo http://exploringthemind.com/hypnosis/how-to-protect-yourself-from-coercive-groups-and-leaders/comment-page-3#comment-1727 local seo Tue, 01 Mar 2011 12:31:00 +0000 http://exploringthemind.com/?p=286#comment-1727 Lovely content! I also believe Dave Lakhani over delivered on this one. Thanks! Lovely content! I also believe Dave Lakhani over delivered on this one. Thanks!

]]> By: Cheryl http://exploringthemind.com/hypnosis/how-to-protect-yourself-from-coercive-groups-and-leaders/comment-page-3#comment-785 Cheryl Wed, 03 Mar 2010 15:36:15 +0000 http://exploringthemind.com/?p=286#comment-785 I used to get newsletters from James Ray, but I got fed up with him pushing things that were of no interest to me whatsoever.<br><br>He was quite 'snaky' with me at one point when I told him that for me to travel from NZ to his special weekend events etc, was absolutely prohibitive in price!<br><br>Why would I want to pay thousands of dollars for a weekend, including about $5,000 for the airfares and transport to the event site?????<br><br>He told me it was so important, that I should try to get the money somehow !!!!!!!<br><br>I was not happy with that response to my email pointing out the costs I would incur, and at that point, cancelled the newsletter subscription. And never regretted it!!!!<br><br>I was horrified to listen to the interview and hear how those people died etc, due to his overweening opinion of himself, coupled with a total lack of consideration for those who are weaker physically than himself.<br><br>I am sure that folk were NOT told all that ws to happen and that once in the sweat lodge, leaving was not an option until the session was completed! <br><br>So glad he is to be dealt with by the courts system as he deserves whatever is coming to him for not taking care of the folk who entrusted themselves to him over that weekend. <br><br>If the courts don't deal with him harshly, then he had better start thinking about KARMA and a few other things!<br><br>I haven't heard anything about this matter for some time. Is there a site I can go to to get more up-to-date info regarding James Ray and charges laid against him? <br><br>My brain functions extremely well, despite getting older, and I used to get newsletters from James Ray, but I got fed up with him pushing things that were of no interest to me whatsoever.

He was quite 'snaky' with me at one point when I told him that for me to travel from NZ to his special weekend events etc, was absolutely prohibitive in price!

Why would I want to pay thousands of dollars for a weekend, including about $5,000 for the airfares and transport to the event site?????

He told me it was so important, that I should try to get the money somehow !!!!!!!

I was not happy with that response to my email pointing out the costs I would incur, and at that point, cancelled the newsletter subscription. And never regretted it!!!!

I was horrified to listen to the interview and hear how those people died etc, due to his overweening opinion of himself, coupled with a total lack of consideration for those who are weaker physically than himself.

I am sure that folk were NOT told all that ws to happen and that once in the sweat lodge, leaving was not an option until the session was completed!

So glad he is to be dealt with by the courts system as he deserves whatever is coming to him for not taking care of the folk who entrusted themselves to him over that weekend.

If the courts don't deal with him harshly, then he had better start thinking about KARMA and a few other things!

I haven't heard anything about this matter for some time. Is there a site I can go to to get more up-to-date info regarding James Ray and charges laid against him?

My brain functions extremely well, despite getting older, and

]]> By: Cheryl http://exploringthemind.com/hypnosis/how-to-protect-yourself-from-coercive-groups-and-leaders/comment-page-3#comment-684 Cheryl Wed, 03 Mar 2010 09:36:15 +0000 http://exploringthemind.com/?p=286#comment-684 I used to get newsletters from James Ray, but I got fed up with him pushing things that were of no interest to me whatsoever.<br><br>He was quite 'snaky' with me at one point when I told him that for me to travel from NZ to his special weekend events etc, was absolutely prohibitive in price!<br><br>Why would I want to pay thousands of dollars for a weekend, including about $5,000 for the airfares and transport to the event site?????<br><br>He told me it was so important, that I should try to get the money somehow !!!!!!!<br><br>I was not happy with that response to my email pointing out the costs I would incur, and at that point, cancelled the newsletter subscription. And never regretted it!!!!<br><br>I was horrified to listen to the interview and hear how those people died etc, due to his overweening opinion of himself, coupled with a total lack of consideration for those who are weaker physically than himself.<br><br>I am sure that folk were NOT told all that ws to happen and that once in the sweat lodge, leaving was not an option until the session was completed! <br><br>So glad he is to be dealt with by the courts system as he deserves whatever is coming to him for not taking care of the folk who entrusted themselves to him over that weekend. <br><br>If the courts don't deal with him harshly, then he had better start thinking about KARMA and a few other things!<br><br>I haven't heard anything about this matter for some time. Is there a site I can go to to get more up-to-date info regarding James Ray and charges laid against him? <br><br>My brain functions extremely well, despite getting older, and I used to get newsletters from James Ray, but I got fed up with him pushing things that were of no interest to me whatsoever.

He was quite 'snaky' with me at one point when I told him that for me to travel from NZ to his special weekend events etc, was absolutely prohibitive in price!

Why would I want to pay thousands of dollars for a weekend, including about $5,000 for the airfares and transport to the event site?????

He told me it was so important, that I should try to get the money somehow !!!!!!!

I was not happy with that response to my email pointing out the costs I would incur, and at that point, cancelled the newsletter subscription. And never regretted it!!!!

I was horrified to listen to the interview and hear how those people died etc, due to his overweening opinion of himself, coupled with a total lack of consideration for those who are weaker physically than himself.

I am sure that folk were NOT told all that ws to happen and that once in the sweat lodge, leaving was not an option until the session was completed!

So glad he is to be dealt with by the courts system as he deserves whatever is coming to him for not taking care of the folk who entrusted themselves to him over that weekend.

If the courts don't deal with him harshly, then he had better start thinking about KARMA and a few other things!

I haven't heard anything about this matter for some time. Is there a site I can go to to get more up-to-date info regarding James Ray and charges laid against him?

My brain functions extremely well, despite getting older, and

]]> By: L.G. http://exploringthemind.com/hypnosis/how-to-protect-yourself-from-coercive-groups-and-leaders/comment-page-3#comment-681 L.G. Fri, 22 Jan 2010 12:22:51 +0000 http://exploringthemind.com/?p=286#comment-681 Read articles about the problematic Cult Awareness Network here:<br><br><a href="http://www.rickross.com/groups/newcan.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.rickross.com/groups/newcan.html</a> Read articles about the problematic Cult Awareness Network here:

http://www.rickross.com/groups/newcan.html

]]> By: L.G. http://exploringthemind.com/hypnosis/how-to-protect-yourself-from-coercive-groups-and-leaders/comment-page-3#comment-680 L.G. Fri, 22 Jan 2010 01:46:14 +0000 http://exploringthemind.com/?p=286#comment-680 Huh? Who said Dave was a coercive leader? Not understanding why you'd say he isn't one. Did I miss something? Huh? Who said Dave was a coercive leader? Not understanding why you'd say he isn't one. Did I miss something?

]]> By: Michael Lovitch http://exploringthemind.com/hypnosis/how-to-protect-yourself-from-coercive-groups-and-leaders/comment-page-3#comment-679 Michael Lovitch Thu, 21 Jan 2010 23:39:02 +0000 http://exploringthemind.com/?p=286#comment-679 I think this is the main point. I was very disturbed by what happened with James Ray and being close to the industry have been disturbed by what is going on with guru type leaders for a long time now. <br><br>Not being an expert myself, I sought out Dave to help people steer clear of these types of groups and people. I think he did a very good job.<br><br>The Rick Ross community obviously has more experience in this area and might have found it lacking (I would not be the best judge of this).<br><br>However, I know Dave's intentions were to help people and I really think he did. I welcome any additions to this posts that are well intentioned and meant to help people with the purpose of this post. <br><br>A side benefit of Dave's mistake about CAN is that more people (who aren't already in the anti-cult community) might become aware of the fact that the Scientologists somehow took over CAN - and then completely bastardized it. Pure Evil.<br><br>For full disclosure, I am a personal friend of Dave's. We have beers together! <br><br>In person he is about as far from coercive leader as one could be. I realize that from the titles of his books and products it could seem otherwise.<br><br>But in real life he is the kind of person who changes his mind a lot because he is human. We argue a lot and he does not get defensive or dogmatic. I also change my mind a lot because life can get pretty confusing. I think this is the main point. I was very disturbed by what happened with James Ray and being close to the industry have been disturbed by what is going on with guru type leaders for a long time now.

Not being an expert myself, I sought out Dave to help people steer clear of these types of groups and people. I think he did a very good job.

The Rick Ross community obviously has more experience in this area and might have found it lacking (I would not be the best judge of this).

However, I know Dave's intentions were to help people and I really think he did. I welcome any additions to this posts that are well intentioned and meant to help people with the purpose of this post.

A side benefit of Dave's mistake about CAN is that more people (who aren't already in the anti-cult community) might become aware of the fact that the Scientologists somehow took over CAN – and then completely bastardized it. Pure Evil.

For full disclosure, I am a personal friend of Dave's. We have beers together!

In person he is about as far from coercive leader as one could be. I realize that from the titles of his books and products it could seem otherwise.

But in real life he is the kind of person who changes his mind a lot because he is human. We argue a lot and he does not get defensive or dogmatic. I also change my mind a lot because life can get pretty confusing.

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